tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31830497.post7687704052325645565..comments2024-02-28T05:25:12.859-05:00Comments on English, Jack: The English determinativesBretthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02870575277556244419noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31830497.post-40587552196781348512012-08-06T08:34:14.139-05:002012-08-06T08:34:14.139-05:00For many people, determiner is a catchall word, po...For many people, determiner is a catchall word, poorly defined. It seems to be a hybrid between a category of words (like noun, adjective, verb, etc.) and a function (like subject, complement, modifier, etc.). The Cambridge Grammar of the English Language uses determinative for the category of words (listed here) and determiner for the function, which is normally performed by these words, but which is also commonly performed by genitive NPs and occasionally other types of constituents.Bretthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02870575277556244419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31830497.post-14187940929319903102012-08-06T07:40:15.898-05:002012-08-06T07:40:15.898-05:00Have you written anywhere on the precise differenc...Have you written anywhere on the precise difference between a determinative and a determiner, if there is indeed any?<br /><br />I know your position on possessives, but what about general ordinals like next and last?Warsaw Willhttp://random-idea-english.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31830497.post-47688144453977600162008-08-15T19:14:00.000-05:002008-08-15T19:14:00.000-05:00Asterisk added. Thanks!The such in Rick's example ...Asterisk added. Thanks!<BR/><BR/>The <I>such</I> in Rick's example is an adjective. One can add a determiative, such as <I>many</I> in front of it. It can even follow another adjective as in <I>a single such species</I>.Bretthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02870575277556244419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31830497.post-33312802089167419452008-08-15T18:41:00.000-05:002008-08-15T18:41:00.000-05:00What about usages like Such men are to be commende...What about usages like <I>Such men are to be commended</I> or <I>Such problems make this proposal impractical</I>? Those "feel" like determinative uses to me, but I haven't known about determinatives for long so my subconscious parser may need tuning.<BR/><BR/>BTW, you need an asterisk after <I>such</I> in your list, if I'm not mistaken.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31830497.post-79701958878305602412008-08-15T15:42:00.000-05:002008-08-15T15:42:00.000-05:00Yes, there is a very minor case in which such is a...Yes, there is a very minor case in which <I>such</I> is a determinative rather than an adjective. The CGEL gives the following example.:<BR/><BR/><I>Completion of the transaction will take place on 21 December 1999 or [<B>such</B> other date as the parties may agree].</I><BR/><BR/>The following uses, however, are adjectives:<BR/><BR/><I>It was [<B>such</B> a disaster].</I><BR/><I>She had shown [<B>such</B> promise].</I>Bretthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02870575277556244419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31830497.post-61681345006261611422008-08-15T14:44:00.000-05:002008-08-15T14:44:00.000-05:00Shouldn't such be in that list?Shouldn't <I>such</I> be in that list?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-31830497.post-847841653116600892008-08-14T06:57:00.000-05:002008-08-14T06:57:00.000-05:00Just a comment for the search engines, humans may ...Just a comment for the search engines, humans may ignore:<BR/>a list of determinatives<BR/>a list of determiners<BR/>a list of English determinatives<BR/>a list of English determinersBretthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02870575277556244419noreply@blogger.com